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none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order. >> senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the committee, pointed out the last time he testified about this his testimony was the exact opposite. >> we think it should be mandatory for background checks at every gun sale, no loopholes for anyone. in fact it is the media's well-kept secret, they were the supporter of the check list now in place. we think it is reasonable to provide for instant gun checks at shows just like at gun stores and pawn shops. >> what happened between 1999 and now? for one thing, the tea party happened. people with even more extremist positions on several issues than the national rifle association. people flagrantly brandishing their second amendment rights at political events, specifically gun toting events for president obama, showing up in campaign e
none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order. >> senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the committee, pointed out the last time he testified about this his testimony was the exact opposite. >> we think it should be...
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mr. lapierre, wait. mr. lapierre, please, wait. everybody, for a moment. i said earlier, there will be order. >> ruth, i mean, the testimony from mark kelly, from others, were that the shots, it was his ability to get off so many shots, that basically killed the 9-year-old girl. >> there were a bunch of different points. i was watching all morning, which you just sort of wanted to lean out and throttle the folks on your tv screen. gabrielle giffords' testimony was just heartbreaking, and i think it was particularly powerful, because everybody who knows her, understands that she did not come to this from the position of a stridently liberal anti-gun activist. she's a gun owner. mark kelly's testimony was very, very powerful about how he and gabrielle giffords are gun owners and believe in the importance of guns and owning guns. what i find most frustrating of the testimony from mr. lapierre and others is, there is no solution they appear willing to accept, unless it is guaranteed to stop every single incident of gun violence, and, of course, that's just not
mr. lapierre, wait. mr. lapierre, please, wait. everybody, for a moment. i said earlier, there will be order. >> ruth, i mean, the testimony from mark kelly, from others, were that the shots, it was his ability to get off so many shots, that basically killed the 9-year-old girl. >> there were a bunch of different points. i was watching all morning, which you just sort of wanted to lean out and throttle the folks on your tv screen. gabrielle giffords' testimony was just...
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mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a disgrace. we could dramatically cut crimes with guns and save lives all over this country if we were to start enforcing the 9000 federal laws we have on the books. i'm talking about drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, felons with guns. the numbers are shocking. in chicago, one of the worst areas in the country for a gun violence by criminals cannot -- for gun violence by criminals, it is 89 in 90. in the entire united states, 62 people prosecuted under all of the federal gun laws. in the project to clean of richmond years ago, t
mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a...
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lapierre my time is up. with all due respect, that was not the question i asked nor did you answer it. >> i think it is the answer. i honestly do -- >> okay. >> it's your testimony. >> senator grassley. >> before i ask questions, senator hatch asked if i would explain to everybody here why he left. he's ranking member of the finance committee and senator -- >> we continue to watch the hearing that's taking place on what to do about gun violence in the country. we'll take a quick commercial break and take you back there live right after this. this is f. this is f. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with a
lapierre my time is up. with all due respect, that was not the question i asked nor did you answer it. >> i think it is the answer. i honestly do -- >> okay. >> it's your testimony. >> senator grassley. >> before i ask questions, senator hatch asked if i would explain to everybody here why he left. he's ranking member of the finance committee and senator -- >> we continue to watch the hearing that's taking place on what to do about gun violence in the...
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. >> i think that mr. lapierre ignores what really was enormously powerful, even riveting testimony from gabby giffords and her instruction to our committee, the judiciary committee and congress itself, to be bold, to be courageous, because america is counting on you. and the call to action that came from newtown is for better enforcement of existing laws but also new laws that will enable better enforcement. we can have common ground with mr. lapierre that better enforcement of existing laws is necessary, but that leads in my view inevitably for the call for more background checks on the 40% of all firearms purchases that right now are within the exemption of the gun show loophole and private sale and background checks on ammunition purchases. background checks, for example, and other sensible measures like stronger action against trafficking and straw purchases and including a ban on assault weapons are within the common ground that i think we ought to try to establish here. >> senator, for those just jo
. >> i think that mr. lapierre ignores what really was enormously powerful, even riveting testimony from gabby giffords and her instruction to our committee, the judiciary committee and congress itself, to be bold, to be courageous, because america is counting on you. and the call to action that came from newtown is for better enforcement of existing laws but also new laws that will enable better enforcement. we can have common ground with mr. lapierre that better enforcement of existing...
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mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a disgrace. we could dramatically cut crimes with guns and save lives all over this country if we were to start enforcing the 9000 federal laws we have on the books. i'm talking about drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, felons with guns. the numbers are shocking. in chicago, one of the worst areas in the country for a gun violence by criminals cannot -- for gun violence by criminals, it is 89 in 90. in the entire united states, 62 people prosecuted under all of the federal gun laws. in the project to clean of richmond years ago, t
mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a...
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i have a question for you, mr. lapierre. functionally, in terms of the operations of this fire arm, semi-automatic, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. is the firing mechanism in this fire arm materially different from the so-called assault weapons ban that this bill is targeted at? >> no, it is not. >> instead what it does target are cosmetic features. for example, i am holding in my hand a pistol grip. under this proposed legislation, if this piece of plastic were attached to this rifle, it would suddenly become a banned assault weapon. i would ask you, mr. lapierre, are you aware of any evidence to suggest that attaching a piece of plastic to this rifle would make it in any way slightly more dangerous? >> the problem with the whole bill that senator feinstein introduced, it is based on falsehoods to people that do not understand firearms. to convince them that the performance characteristics of guns they are trying to ban through that bill are different than the performance characteristics that they are not trying
i have a question for you, mr. lapierre. functionally, in terms of the operations of this fire arm, semi-automatic, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. is the firing mechanism in this fire arm materially different from the so-called assault weapons ban that this bill is targeted at? >> no, it is not. >> instead what it does target are cosmetic features. for example, i am holding in my hand a pistol grip. under this proposed legislation, if this piece of plastic were attached...
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. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to 10. giffords' husband mark kelly argued those restrictions would have limited the carnage jared loughner could commit. >> in 15 second he's emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets, and there were 33 wounds. >> reporter: but gun rights advocate gail trotter argued one person's assault weapon is another's last line of offense. >> and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five, violent attackers, intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary-looking gun, gives her more courage when she's fight
. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to 10. giffords' husband mark kelly...
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so when mr. lapierre says, well, you know, this is no good because criminals won't subject themselves to a background check, that's precisely the point. >> sure. what was the feeling in the room from you and your colleagues after hearing gabby giffords speak today? how much of an impact do you think she had? >> i think she had a real impact. i think the other moment of real impact was when her husband, captain kelly, talked about the child at gabrielle giffords' shooting who was killed by the 13th bullet, and pointed out that if the shooter hadn't had that high capacity magazine, before he got to that 13th bullet, he would have had to reload. and that shooting came to an end when the shooter had to reload. so the moment when you have 20 stop firing out of your magazine and reload is the moment for people to escape. it's the moment for people to counterattack and try to disable the shooter. and i think seizing on that little girl and the fact that she was killed by the 13th bullet, and that her li
so when mr. lapierre says, well, you know, this is no good because criminals won't subject themselves to a background check, that's precisely the point. >> sure. what was the feeling in the room from you and your colleagues after hearing gabby giffords speak today? how much of an impact do you think she had? >> i think she had a real impact. i think the other moment of real impact was when her husband, captain kelly, talked about the child at gabrielle giffords' shooting who was...
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. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll start them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> order. >> reporter: the line to get into this first hearing on guns since newtown was huge. snaking down the hallway and down the stairs, citizens on both sides of the issue. >> i truly care about this issue and want to support commonsense gun laws. >> guns are not the primary cause of the issue. it's the people that operator use the guns. >> reporter: inside, republican lindsey graham wanted to bring in a real gun but real tape and laws prevented it so he used pictures. >> does everybody on the panel agree that a convicted felon should not have either one of those guns? >> reporter: a staunch defender of gun rights, he talked about limiting high-capacity gun magazines by telling the story of a woman trying to fend off an intruder. >> her husband said, shoot, shoot. she
. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll start them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> order. >> reporter: the line to get into this first hearing on guns since newtown was huge. snaking down the hallway and down the stairs, citizens on both sides of the issue. >> i truly care about this issue and...
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. >> that's not my question, please, mr. lapierre. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> okay. so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not. >> don't make me say it, we do not. the reason why wayne lapierre is physically squirming there, the reason he is trying really hard not to answer that question in an excerptable sound bite-friendly way that's going to turn up in an ad to damn politicians who might associate themselves with his group is because if wayne lapierre is paying attention, and i bet he is, he knows the nra stands very much alone in this country in opposing universal background checks for buying a gun. the last cbs news/"new york times" poll showed that nine out of ten americans, 92% support universal background checks for buying a gun. among nra members, his own members, 86% believe that anybody buying
. >> that's not my question, please, mr. lapierre. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> okay. so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not. >> don't make me say it, we do not. the reason why wayne lapierre is...
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, even you mr. lapierre. it's good to see you again. i guess we tangled -- what was it 18 years ago. you look pretty good actually. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but it doesn't make any sense, somebody was showing the testimony in 1999 when he was for background checks. and here he was yesterday. >> none of it makes any since. >> mr. lapierre that's the point the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. [ cheers ] >> senator i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> the point is you can buy guns illegally out of the back of a car. >> stephanie: yeah, so let's just not do anything. >> we need layers of things. and hopefully, one, two, or three of those layers will catch the criminals who want to get guns. >> stephanie: yeah. angie welcome. >> caller: i love you guys. can you say hi pup and pepper. >> stephanie: hi pup and pepper who is handsome and romantic. >> caller: thank you. i'm in school to be a teacher. but i was cal
, even you mr. lapierre. it's good to see you again. i guess we tangled -- what was it 18 years ago. you look pretty good actually. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but it doesn't make any sense, somebody was showing the testimony in 1999 when he was for background checks. and here he was yesterday. >> none of it makes any since. >> mr. lapierre that's the point the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. [...
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testifying. >> sons and daughters -- >> please step forward. >> thank you, mr. chairman. it's an honor to be here on the behalf of more than 4.5 million moms and dads and sons and daughters in every state across our nation who make up the national rifle association of america. there are 4.5 million active members of the nra and they are joined by tens of millions much supporters throughout the country. it's on behalf of those millions of decent hard working law-abiding citizens that i'm here today to give voice to their concerns. the title of today's hearings is what should america do about gun violence? we believe the answer to that question is to be honest about what works and honest about what doesn't work. teaching safe and responsible gun ownership works and nra has a long and proud history of doing exactly that. our child safety program told 25 million young children if they see a
testifying. >> sons and daughters -- >> please step forward. >> thank you, mr. chairman. it's an honor to be here on the behalf of more than 4.5 million moms and dads and sons and daughters in every state across our nation who make up the national rifle association of america. there are 4.5 million active members of the nra and they are joined by tens of millions much supporters throughout the country. it's on behalf of those millions of decent hard working law-abiding...
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please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not because the fact is the law now is a failure the way it is working. >> joe johns, let me bring you in here for me in washington. we have been hearing that this one idea of the universal background checks could really be one the one poithe one point debate that could be agreed upon by both sides, but that doesn't seem like the case now, does it? >> it is an uphill battle but there is still a chance. they're willing to take a look at universal background checks, in principle, brooke. but the people who moved to the middle on this, there needs to be a system that works and doesn't take away the rights of legitimate gun owners to bear arms. the nra is opposed to universal checks because the curre
please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not because the fact is the law now is a failure the way it is working. >> joe johns, let me bring you in here for me in...